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  Anyone know anything about Soka Gakkai International?
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. said:Because of a Mahayana belief that the part contains the whole and the whole contains the part, simply chanting the title (part) was seen as equivalent to actually reading the text (whole). He presented this as the only acceptable Buddhist belief (a radical departure from the general tolerant pluralism that usually characterized Buddhism).

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So that's all they do? Chant a mantra?
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KM.as.a.dot said:LOL. How do you think I know so much about it.

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Brainwashing only works on stupid people. Like I said, the poeple are nice enough, just smile and nod politely and you will be fine.



Hm, very smart people DO get brainwashed. I know a couple of PhD guys that got suckered into cults. They are smart, well-informed and otherwise sane people but once you mention their beliefs their eyes get glazed over and mumbo-jumbo is the reply.
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. said:There is more nutty stuff, like their belief in the supernatual power of a plank of wood they have...but generally from this thumbnail sketch you can see how derivative and improbable their theology is./quote]

They have actually stepped back from this earlier Nichiren-influenced belief. SGI used to teach that unless you had a true copy of the Dai Gohonzon (the wood plank they say Nichiren personally inscribed), blessed by a Nichiren priest, your practice would not be effective.

Of course, as soon as the Nichiren Shoshu priests stopped giving Gohonzons (paper copies of the Dai Gohonzon) to SGI members, SGI changed its tune and started distributing its own Gohonzons.
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Another thing Nichren types want you to forget is that it was the most fanatical and militant brand of Buddhism during in WWII, due to its special tradition of devotion to the emporor and some essays Nichiren wrote about the importance of protecting Japan. Nichiren lived during the Mongol era and did a bunch of rituals for warding off the attack, which was thwarted by heavy typhoons that saved Japan (the origin of the term "divine wind" or "Kamikaze"). Of course Nichiren's followers took credit for the invasion. There has always been a hard, fanatical, far-right streak to the Nichiren schools.
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. said:Hm, very smart people DO get brainwashed. I know a couple of PhD guys that got suckered into cults. They are smart, well-informed and otherwise sane people but once you mention their beliefs their eyes get glazed over and mumbo-jumbo is the reply.



As a former Hare Krishna "middle manager" I can assure you that "brainwashing" works on the very smart and the very stupid, rather more effectively than it works on people nearer the middle of the bell curve.

Smart folks have lots of mental energy they can expend in rationalization of the wacky beliefs. If the beliefs fill an emotional need, very smart people can find the mental justification to accept them.
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. said:Another thing Nichren types want you to forget is that it was the most fanatical and militant brand of Buddhism during in WWII, due to its special tradition of devotion to the emporor and some essays Nichiren wrote about the importance of protecting Japan. Nichiren lived during the Mongol era and did a bunch of rituals for warding off the attack, which was thwarted by heavy typhoons that saved Japan (the origin of the term "divine wind" or "Kamikaze"). Of course Nichiren's followers took credit for the invasion. There has always been a hard, fanatical, far-right streak to the Nichiren schools.



Scary shit. :sadbanana:
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. said:So that's all they do? Chant a mantra?



Basically. Like "Hare Krishna."

During the 1200s-1400s, Japan was in a lot of turmoil and the older, more refined and scholastic forms of Buddhism decayed. People needed something simpler, for rougher and more violent times. Nichiren and Amida-centered forms of Buddhism were chanting-based, and Zen was based on silent meditation. All these grew popular around these times because they did not involve as much delicate, arcane philosophizing as earlier schools. They were simple, direct, almost anti-intellectual, and could be practiced by the side of a road rather than in a Monestary.
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Nichiren was a medieval Tendai monk in Japan who taught that the current era was corrupt and tradtional Buddhist practices no longer worked. Even reading the Lotus Sutra itself was too far above people of this degenerate age. The only path forward would be to chant the TITLE of the book (not even any of the content). Because of a Mahayana belief that the part contains the whole and the whole contains the part, simply chanting the title (part) was seen as equivalent to actually reading the text (whole). He presented this as the only acceptable Buddhist belief (a radical departure from the general tolerant pluralism that usually characterized Buddhism).

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No shit, and do people swallow such asinine teachings?


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I guess if there were equivalents in other religions, it would be like:

"Quaran. Quaran. Quaran. Quaran. Quaran. Quaran."
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"Bible. Bible. Bible. Bible. Bible. Bible."
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So, did you actually read those books?
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Naw, preacher man said it would just confuse me and I should stick to the basics. Bible. Bible. Bible..."
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The only thing I know about them is that, towards the end, 2008 or so, they started showing up as the first result in google, for SGI, instead of Silicon Graphics.

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Asok said:The only thing I know about them is that, towards the end, 2008 or so, they started showing up as the first result in google, for SGI, instead of Silicon Graphics.

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Actually, I just googled, and the Nichirenites came in third behind two Silicon Graphics links.
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. said:Actually, I just googled, and the Nichirenites came in third behind two Silicon Graphics links.



That's pretty good, especially compared to the anti-Catholic bias on google. When I search for RC, I get remote controlled cars and I get cola, for page after page. In fact, the first religious link I get is for a Protestant pastor, not the Roman Catholic Church.

What about RCC, you might ask? Still nothing. All I get are a shitload of community colleges. Google Juice must really hate the Pope!
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. said:Actually, I just googled, and the Nichirenites came in third behind two Silicon Graphics links.



SGI staged a sort of comeback. For awhile I remember their website just being a notice that they'd gone bankrupt. They probably weren't too hot in the Google rankings at that point.
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. said:That's pretty good, especially compared to the anti-Catholic bias on google. When I search for RC, I get remote controlled cars and I get cola, for page after page. In fact, the first religious link I get is for a Protestant pastor, not the Roman Catholic Church.

What about RCC, you might ask? Still nothing. All I get are a shitload of community colleges. Google Juice must really hate the Pope!



google owners...


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. said:SGI staged a sort of comeback. For awhile I remember their website just being a notice that they'd gone bankrupt. They probably weren't too hot in the Google rankings at that point.



President Ikeda WANTS YOU TO THINK there has been a comeback. In truth, the Hokkeko (the lay group of believers that support the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) has siphoned off all the serious practitioners formerly with SGI. Nowadays, SGI is sort of a demented cross between a MLM scheme and a personality cult. Only the stupidest people are able to thrive there, and if you aren't stupid when you start, continuing with the current SGI cult sure as kosen-rufu will MAKE you stupid.
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. said:President Ikeda WANTS YOU TO THINK there has been a comeback. In truth, the Hokkeko (the lay group of believers that support the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) has siphoned off all the serious practitioners formerly with SGI. Nowadays, SGI is sort of a demented cross between a MLM scheme and a personality cult. Only the stupidest people are able to thrive there, and if you aren't stupid when you start, continuing with the current SGI cult sure as kosen-rufu will MAKE you stupid.



Hokkeko == bunch of brainwashed drones chanting the title of a forgery and believing Nichiren was the Original Buddah

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. said:Hokkeko == bunch of brainwashed drones chanting the title of a forgery and believing Nichiren was the Original Buddah

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ALL Buddhists are brainwashed drones
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. said:Hokkeko == bunch of brainwashed drones chanting the title of a late Mahayana document thousands of times more worthwhile than anything Daisaku Ikeda has ever written, and credibly preferring to focus on Nichiren as the Original Buddha, rather than on President Ikeda as the One True Perfect Spokesman for Nichiren (and probably soon after his death deified as the One True Perfect Buddha, who was merely pre-figured by the provisional Buddha Nichiren).



FIXED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NOT ALL MIND-FUCKS ARE EQUAL.
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. said:President Ikeda WANTS YOU TO THINK there has been a comeback. In truth, the Hokkeko (the lay group of believers that support the Nichiren Shoshu priesthood) has siphoned off all the serious practitioners formerly with SGI. Nowadays, SGI is sort of a demented cross between a MLM scheme and a personality cult. Only the stupidest people are able to thrive there, and if you aren't stupid when you start, continuing with the current SGI cult sure as kosen-rufu will MAKE you stupid.



I was talking about Silicon Graphics. :lol:

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