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  Anyone know anything about Soka Gakkai International?
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My new girlfriend is trying to get me to join. :shrug:
KM.as.a.dot
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Is kinda like buddhist Mormons.

The people are nice enough in a Stepford wives kinda way.
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They are cheezeballs, cultists. Not quite as bad as Scientology but still a big, cheezy waste of money.

If you interested in Buddhism join a traditional group. Even if you are specifically bent on Nichiren Buddhism, join a legitimate sect like Nichiren-shu that has been around for centuries rather than this tacky shit.
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KM.as.a.dot said:Is kinda like buddhist Mormons.

The people are nice enough in a Stepford wives kinda way.



this :motorcycle:
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KM.as.a.dot said:Is kinda like buddhist Mormons.

The people are nice enough in a Stepford wives kinda way.



Mormons don't idolize a living person the way SGI does.

Listen to how SGI tards talk about SGI President Ikeda. it's way more obsequious than how Mormons talk about the head of the Mormon Church.
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. said:My new girlfriend is trying to get me to join. :shrug:



Soka Gakkai International?

Isn't that an airport in Istanbul? :confused:
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. said:They are cheezeballs, cultists. Not quite as bad as Scientology but still a big, cheezy waste of money.

If you interested in Buddhism join a traditional group. Even if you are specifically bent on Nichiren Buddhism, join a legitimate sect like Nichiren-shu that has been around for centuries rather than this tacky shit.



I'd advise him to avoid Nichiren Shoshu or any other cult that holds Nichiren "is the original Buddah". Keep a safe distance.
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. said:Mormons don't idolize a living person the way SGI does.

Listen to how SGI tards talk about SGI President Ikeda. it's way more obsequious than how Mormons talk about the head of the Mormon Church.



Fair enough. My point was more that philosophically speaking Soka is to traditional Buddhism as Mormonism is to Christianity. It has its roots there, but its something different entirely.

I dunno how it works overseas, but SGI in Japan has a MAJOR network, they reckon its like 10% of the population or something. And the connections translate into something tangible...a vastly disproportionate number of people in careers where connections are important like politicians and people in entertainment are SGI but dont advertise it publicly.
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. said:They are cheezeballs, cultists. Not quite as bad as Scientology but still a big, cheezy waste of money.

If you interested in Buddhism join a traditional group. Even if you are specifically bent on Nichiren Buddhism, join a legitimate sect like Nichiren-shu that has been around for centuries rather than this tacky shit.



I don't care about Buddhism. I just want to know if it's safe or if I'll get brainwashed. This chick is way out of my league, so unless I'm going to get ritually sacrificed I'll probably put up with whatever stupid shit she wants me to do as long as I can keep fucking her.
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OP. said:I don't care about Buddhism. I just want to know if it's safe or if I'll get brainwashed. This chick is way out of my league, so unless I'm going to get ritually sacrificed I'll probably put up with whatever stupid shit she wants me to do as long as I can keep fucking her.



LOL. How do you think I know so much about it.

:lol:

Brainwashing only works on stupid people. Like I said, the poeple are nice enough, just smile and nod politely and you will be fine.
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Here's a grotesque oversimplification of the doctrine.

Buddha's words and teachings have been preserved in a number of texts called "Sutras." After his death, many Sutras proposing "new teachings" were introduced over the next millenium that claimed to be directly from Buddha but were obviously not. Sets of these more recent "sutras" became the basis for Mahayana and Vajarajyana branches of Buddhism in East Asia. Most of these represent a departure from the original core teachings of Buddhism.

One of the most popular "new sutras" of the Mahayana strain was the Lotus Sutra. It has long been revered all over East Asia. The Sutra teaches, among othter things, that all men have the capacity to become Buddhas, and that the lifespan of the Buddha is infinite. Buddha-nature is conceived of as a kind of supra-essential ultimate reality, beyond the personal being of the historical Buddha. This text formed the basis for the influential Tien-tai (or Tendai in Japan) school.

Nichiren was a medieval Tendai monk in Japan who taught that the current era was corrupt and tradtional Buddhist practices no longer worked. Even reading the Lotus Sutra itself was too far above people of this degenerate age. The only path forward would be to chant the TITLE of the book (not even any of the content). Because of a Mahayana belief that the part contains the whole and the whole contains the part, simply chanting the title (part) was seen as equivalent to actually reading the text (whole). He presented this as the only acceptable Buddhist belief (a radical departure from the general tolerant pluralism that usually characterized Buddhism).

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"Shakubuku" is a tenet of SGI (and to a lesser degree, with lesser intensity, of other Nicheren sects).

Basically, it consists of bullying the fuck out of people until they join.

You'll probably need to dump the GF, otherwise she will keep after you until you participate, and then once you participate you'll end up joining.
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(con't from above)

Many different schools blossomed from Nichiren, the two biggest being Nichiren-shu and Nichren-shoshu. The latter was the more radical, claiming that Nichiren himself, rather than the historical Buddha, was the true "Buddha of our era" and the focus of devotion turned more and more to Nichiren over the historical Buddha.

The Sokka Gakkai was orignally a layman's group of Nichiren-shoshu followers that rebelled from the priesthood. By using 20th century media-savvy skills, this group became quite large and wealthy in Japan and around the world. Recently the doctrinal basis has drifted eveb from devotion to Nichiren towards devotion to Ikeda, Sokka's founder.

There is more nutty stuff, like their belief in the supernatual power of a plank of wood they have...but generally from this thumbnail sketch you can see how derivative and improbable their theology is.

:themoreyouknow:
:meditate:
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Just another false religion that leads people to hell.
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. said:"Shakubuku" is a tenet of SGI (and to a lesser degree, with lesser intensity, of other Nicheren sects).

Basically, it consists of bullying the fuck out of people until they join.

You'll probably need to dump the GF, otherwise she will keep after you until you participate, and then once you participate you'll end up joining.



Btw "Shakubuku" is translated as "breaking in" and also as "removing resistance".

Note for the op: once they "Shakubuku" you, you'1ll never see her pussy again. She'll be busy recruiting other morons to the cult. But then you would have become yet another chanting drone.
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stAnselm said:Just another false religion that leads people to hell.



Like the Ontological argument of Anselm, censored by papal Bull.
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. said:(con't from above)

Many different schools blossomed from Nichiren, the two biggest being Nichiren-shu and Nichren-shoshu. The latter was the more radical, claiming that Nichiren himself, rather than the historical Buddha, was the true "Buddha of our era" and the focus of devotion turned more and more to Nichiren over the historical Buddha.

The Sokka Gakkai was orignally a layman's group of Nichiren-shoshu followers that rebelled from the priesthood. By using 20th century media-savvy skills, this group became quite large and wealthy in Japan and around the world. Recently the doctrinal basis has drifted eveb from devotion to Nichiren towards devotion to Ikeda, Sokka's founder.

There is more nutty stuff, like their belief in the supernatual power of a plank of wood they have...but generally from this thumbnail sketch you can see how derivative and improbable their theology is.

:themoreyouknow:
:meditate:



I like your summary. Any links for further info?
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. said:I like your summary. Any links for further info?



try clicking around here:

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/

Despite the shitty layout and poor organization, there is a lot of good info.
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stAnselm said:Just another false religion that leads people to hell.



Agreed, like Christianity.
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Nichiren was a medieval Tendai monk in Japan who taught that the current era was corrupt and tradtional Buddhist practices no longer worked. Even reading the Lotus Sutra itself was too far above people of this degenerate age. The only path forward would be to chant the TITLE of the book (not even any of the content). Because of a Mahayana belief that the part contains the whole and the whole contains the part, simply chanting the title (part) was seen as equivalent to actually reading the text (whole). He presented this as the only acceptable Buddhist belief (a radical departure from the general tolerant pluralism that usually characterized Buddhism).

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No shit, and do people swallow such asinine teachings?
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. said:Btw "Shakubuku" is translated as "breaking in" and also as "removing resistance".

Note for the op: once they "Shakubuku" you, you'1ll never see her pussy again. She'll be busy recruiting other morons to the cult. But then you would have become yet another chanting drone.



That is not my experience.

You could say that nailing SGI chicks is sort of a specialty of mine, because for the most part they mean well even if their beliefs are a bit nutty. One thing I will say in their favor is that the level of TFB you can expect is a lot lower than your average woman.

Just smile and nod, there isnt much they can do to turn you after that. Sure getting dragged to gongyo for an hour or so once a month is lame but you could do a lot worse.
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Knew a couple of folks from SGI and they're very nice people, but wouldn't consider joining up outside on continuing contact with that chick.
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. said:No shit, and do people swallow such asinine teachings?



Apparently so. Although getting people to swallow that all our pain is the fault of a rib-woman's temptation by a talking snake doesn't seem all that much more bizzare if you really think about it...
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. said:Agreed, like Christianity.



Anything derived from Judaism: Judaism itself, Christianity and Islam.

(Throw in Morons, er, Mormons and all fundie wacko American bible-thumping cults)
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. said:Apparently so. Although getting people to swallow that all our pain is the fault of a rib-woman's temptation by a talking snake doesn't seem all that much more bizzare if you really think about it...



No need to kick a dead dog, as far as I am concerned.
But still, it is just moronic to repeat a fucking TITLE of some ancient forgery and think that does any good.

Oh well, to each his own.

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