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9/8/2011 4:55 pm

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. said:When did I try to force you to share it? Again, the faithful and organized religion are not the same. Many, many atheists do in fact say that the faithful are not welcome to their beliefs. They are worse at proselytizing than Christians. And very angry.

If you take any religion course or especially Philosophy of Religion you'd see that many great minds and even organized religions do not reject or damn the idea of the many paths to a single ideal.



Organized religion used to burn you at the stake for having even a slightly different view of the trinity. There is no major religion that believes in "many paths to the same ideal". All major religions have killed people who had the wrong beliefs when the religion gained power for one reason or another.

Now I'm sure there's some professor of Religion at a college somewhere who believes in "multiple paths to a single ideal". But it's not anywhere near a majority of religious people.
9/8/2011 4:21 pm

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. said:It's weird that the kids are one quarter Asian, but they look 100% Asian.



That's what the "Asian look" is all about. It's a group of genes that gives a sexually attractive look and is mostly dominate, so it spreads very quickly. It seems to have spread across Asia in only the last 3 to 8 thousand years.
9/8/2011 4:16 pm

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Why did they cancel it?
9/8/2011 3:28 pm

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. said:Fairy tale believers - please tell me why the ancient greek religions are now condescendingly called "Greek Myths"? Why is it considered obsurd to worship, say, Posiedon these days? Mmmmmm?



:crickets:



What's even funnier is that many mainstream Christian beliefs today would have got them burnt at the stake 500 years ago. :laugh:
9/8/2011 3:25 pm

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. said:You're just proving my point.What is the fear in just saying god? Why do you have to say all that?
All you have to say is god. Nothing more, nothing less.



Well, ok. I don't like the fact that the American pledge of Allegiance requires you to pledge allegiance to God. He isn't an elected official.

Happy?
9/8/2011 3:10 pm

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tituspullo said: :backpedal:


It is a confirmed miracle,, refute it or shut up.



I don't know what defines a "miracle". Of course, no one denies that those sort of disease often go into remission.
9/8/2011 3:08 pm

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. said:That's what I don't understand. Why is it so difficult for an atheist to say god or "a" god? Why do you have to say mythical being, sky fairy, or any of the other names you have? Are you that afraid that by saying it that you might be showing an even slight bit of faith in a religion?



Well, you have to admit, saying "I don't like people pledging allegiance to my Lord God the Eternal Creator of the Universe" doesn't make a lot of sense.

If he's God then why wouldn't I want to pledge allegiance?
9/8/2011 2:52 pm

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. said:As an atheist, I agree with you on most, if not all, of these points. "Organized atheists" are like (and actually have been) Stalinists. When atheism is used as an organizing principle for its own sake, like any other idea or movement, its adherents often insist upon ideological purity to the point where they adopt an orthodoxy more repellent than the religions they originally abandoned.

Keeping politics out of religion is one thing. Preventing people from saying "under God" in the pledge of allegiance is just attention whoring. If you dislike it that much, don't say the fucking pledge, prayer, benediction or whatever fucking else you disagree with. It's more fun (and useful) to call the bullshit pious on their hypocrisy than it is to piss off everyone all at once.



Come on. I'm an atheist. I really don't like the idea that every American is swearing allegiance to a mythical being. Especially as for practical reasons this means they're swearing to obey the orders of their ministers or preachers, and not our elected officials. :mad:
9/8/2011 2:38 pm

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. said:Then don't vote for them. Or better yet, put up a candidate to oppose them. If they get voted in for those beliefs then guess what. There are more people who think like them than think like you.



That was my point. They are the average Christian, not extremists.
9/8/2011 2:15 pm

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. said:This is where atheist's arguments fall apart. They try to ascribe all motivations a person has to their religion. If you are Christian you must believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
Total BS, and mostly a childs method of dealing with a group that they don't like. Take a ultra fringe belief, claim that all Christians believe it, then debunk it. Total BS..

Then there is the idea that someone who is Christian will not do anything about x (x= EPA enforcement, energy independence, fill in the blank) because Jesus is coming. Just total bullshit.

Sort of reminds me of Bill Maher. He spouts that shit non stop, and his mentally ill followers eat it up, but the reason that he has lost almost all his popularity is because everyone else sees him as a joke because he believes the shit listed above.



All of the Republican presidential candidates have come out opposed to teaching evolution in schools, have said they support Israel because it's a religious duty, and have even come out against the germ theory of disease.

You're the one who takes a few moderate Christians, and tries to convince people they represent all Christians. If that was true, why isn't one of them running for the Republican Presidential nomination?
9/8/2011 1:01 pm

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. said:She looks like a latter-day Manson girl.



That's a very good example. Manson didn't kill anybody. He didn't brainwash the Manson girls by playing them Beatles songs. The Manson girls killed those people, and they liked it. You don't hold a pregnant women's arms while your girlfriend tries to stab the fetus unless you're really, really into it.

Yet everyone is like "Look at those perky nips! Those pretty white girls must be innocent!".

Just like Amanda here.
9/8/2011 12:30 pm

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tituspullo said:Penelope, here is a modern one, refute this one

Serge PERRIN

Born on 13.2.1929

Cured on 1.5.1970, in his 42nd. year. Miracle on 17.6.1978, by Mgr Jean Orchampt, Bishop of Angers.

In February 1964, at the age of 35 years, Serge PERRIN had already received a warning with his first neurological episode, consisting of a right hemiplegia of sudden onset and equally of sudden regression.

He had another attack in December 1968, also very abrupt with loss of consciousness. Although this was treated as before, there was no regression after several weeks.

Three months after this incident, he was admitted into the Neurosurgical Unit in the Hospital at Rennes, under Prof. Pecker.

A full investigation confirmed the diagnosis of thrombosis in the left carotid artery, for which surgery was contra-indicated. So he went home.

In April 1969, the same specialist noticed that the insufficiency of his cerebral circulation was now bilateral. At this point, realising the hopelessness of his plight, Serge PERRIN went to Lourdes. He returned as bad as ever, in the same alarming state.

Deterioration was progressive, with something new... "cerebral eclipses", rare at first, becoming frequent. In October 1969, he was granted an invalidity pension of the third category, as he was unable to do anything alone.

Three months later in 1970, despite medical treatment, his condition became even worse: visual disturbances rendered him virtually blind, syncopes became more and more frequent, and his increasing disability made the thought of being an incurable invalid, with no future, almost unbearable.

He joined the Pilgrimage from Anjou in 1970 for the second time, though without any hope, but simply to please his wife.

After a very trying time, the last day arrived. In the morning he attended the Ceremony of Anointing the Sick. There he began to feel sensation return. In the afternoon, he found he could walk better without the use of walking sticks, and see better without spectacles! He left Lourdes quite convinced he was cured.



Give me an example of someone who had an arm cut off and grew it back after a pilgramage and you might convince me. Using a medical condition that even the doctors didn't understand going into remission isn't very convincing.
9/8/2011 12:27 pm

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. said:I agree with you that religion should not play a part in politics. The problem I have with the organized atheists is they are becoming an intolerant organization that reverts to petty name-calling and an elitist attitude towards anyone of faith.
It's almost as if they're just trading one religion in for another of their own design.



It's impossible for a religious person not to base his political policies on religion. If you believed in the imminent return of Christ, as Reagan and Bush did/do, how could any decision you make not be based on that belief?

Look up the statement that Watts, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, made that implied there was no reason to worry about the environment because Christ will soon return. Now he later clarified that by quoting biblical verses saying we should protect God's creation.

The important thing to note here is that at no time did he consider that damaging the environment would cause mass health problems and food shortages. He couldn't, that's not the way a religious person reasons.

Now you talk about the intolerance of atheists, imagine how an atheist feels talking to a religious person who, by definition, believes he is in communication with God. A religious person believes that his beliefs are the beliefs of the supreme being.

How do you argue with that? How do you change the mind of a person who believes his beliefs must be true because God said they were true?
9/8/2011 12:33 am

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. said:She is completely innocent. There was absolutely no hard evidence that tied her to the crime.



Except she plainly knew about it, which is what she was convicted of.
9/7/2011 11:32 pm

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. said:What did she do that they locked her up?



She was living in Italy with an English girl for a roommate. She tried to get a foursome going with her boyfriend, a male friend of theirs, and her roommate, Her roommate didn't like the idea and started resisting. The friend finally ended up strangling her while Amanda and her boyfriend waited in the kitchen.

It's pretty hawt when you think about it. :tard:
9/7/2011 6:34 pm

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. said:The facts don't support your version of history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric%E2%80%93scientists

Galileo was one unfortunate episode, but you should do a bit of reading on that to get the full story.



That's not encouraging. Can you imagine how much farther science would be today if so many scientists weren't constrained by religion?
9/7/2011 6:04 pm

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. said:I would say I'm agnostic but leaning towards a more atheist perspective but it's ridiculous the way the organized atheists are out publicly trying to basically shut down all religion. Atheism is pretty much turning into a religion now that is becoming intolerant of any belief other than their own.
I don't know why they are so easily offended because they see a cross, a menorah or a plate of spaghetti for that matter.
It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.



What's terrifying the atheists like Dawkins is that we control too much technology to allow it to be controlled by people who believe in religion, not science. How do you convince someone who believes in the imminent return of Christ that it's important to protect the environment? How do you convince someone who believes that God created the earth that man can destroy the environment? How do you convince someone to use birth control to slow population growth when, like Palin, they believe that God is in the room when you have sex?

Rick Perry has already stated that his faith has told him to support Israel, wouldn't you rather foreign policy was based on trying to avoid nuclear warfare?

Right now probably half the nations of the world base their policy decisions on religion. That's very scary when you realize how much technological power a nation controls today.
9/7/2011 10:20 am

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JWP said:By "word of God" I presume you mean the Bible.

The Bible admits the existence of non beleivers.

Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14

Of course the Bible indicates that IN THE END,

all will KNOW God exist. Unfortuneatly for some,

it will be too late to be of benefit to them.



You are correct. The bible does state that only the threat of eternal torture could ever really convince a person to believe in Christianity.

But doesn't this fact, stated, as you showed, in the bible, give you a few doubts about Christianity?
9/7/2011 10:08 am

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The word of God is supposed to be universally compelling. The very existence of an atheist, or a Jew, basically disproves Christianity.
9/4/2011 9:00 pm

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Rape the guy, that'll really fuck them up.
9/4/2011 6:13 pm

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. said:It's my experience with writing checks for terminal ICU care, that the bill runs around $15K/day. One day would have paid the antibiotic bill for 500 of the 24 year old victims. The teabagger sense of ethics: "sacrifice the many to save the few."



There you go. The government saved $30, and spent 5 grand on an emergency 911 call and ambulance. The guy probably lasted 3 days in ICU. At least 50 grand.
9/4/2011 3:07 pm

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. said:Bullshit. Cobra is always more expensive. Regardless, that's. Big compensation hit that I'm expected to swallow. From a company that had it's most profitabl year yet.



The insurance companies aren't allowed to charge more than 5% for cobra than their charging the company for insurance.

You just think it's more expensive because the company isn't covering most of cobra.
9/4/2011 2:48 pm

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. said:Youre lucky. My company announced that they're canceling our insurance coverage on October first. If we want o continue through cobra, it's 14000 per year.

Because Obamacare is going to allow us our choice of coverage. and the taxes are now cost prohibitive.



If it's cobra that means the company was paying close to 14,000 a year, which is about right for a family policy.

If Obama had been allowed to offer a government option, you could have taken that and saved at least 15%, based on the fact that Medicare/Medicaid only spend 5% on administrative costs, while a private health insurance company takes 20%.
9/4/2011 2:31 pm

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. said:Please, anyone can afford $30 for life-saving medicine. That's bullshit. The guy is an idiot who died of his own stupidity.



You're missing the point. The government probably paid at least 50 grand, and probably a lot more, taking care of the dying man. A taxpayer cost that could have been avoided with $30 worth of meds.

The other thing is he had probably paid 10's of thousands of dollars for private health care while he was working, or at least his employer did. That's the racket, health insurance companies make all the profits and then can dump the truly sick on the government.
9/4/2011 1:34 pm

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Obamacare isn't completely in effect yet.
 

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