yes but they have money and money is art if not we would all be carrying around odd shaped stones and just how many odd shaped stones would a wallet hold if a wallet held odd shaped stones
interesting take on art and money but stones why stones?
why bother reading the entire thread? its the same conversation over and over again. all you have to do is read ten or twenty pages and you pretty much read the whole thread. here are several points that characterize the thread;
1. posting porn.
2. Lara told the truth, no Lara is covering up a far greater attack debate.
3. "fat kid video and LL reports 1+2" get brought up. several posters claim they are true. then other posters debunk these erroneous reports, it gets laid to rest for a short while, then gets brought up again, then debunked again and the process continues again and again.
4. porn fantasy descriptions of what "really happened" get posted which nobody believes.
5. anonymous claims that someone they "know" saw something that was porographic, which was left out by Lara.
6. when the truth comes out, things will really change between the US and Egypt. as if anybody gives a shit about a reporter.
7. how there is a "GREAT" conspiracy covering up the greatest gangrape of "ALLTIME".
8. trolling and anti-trolling
9. just regular run of the mill catfighting between posters.
10. finally, constant interpretations of what "you can't imagine what they did to me" "really means".
I would say about every twenty or so pages includes these themes, my advice is; find a twenty or thirty page block and you will have read the entire 785 page thread.
Yes this explains pretty much the jest of the topic
The reason they don't want the Footage Released, as I said this before, and I will say it again: At some point Lara became a "Willing Party" in her attack due to if she did not they would start to Beat her again. If The Full Report holds water, and the claims of Three holed is true, she had to help move On and Off someones penis on the bottom! There was some Participation on her part, and the Video will show such! And then the Comments from the People whom dislike her would take this out of Context and claim it was not a Violet Gang Rape as she was Participating Willfully! Not that she was in Fear of getting Beat to Death. She did what she needed to do to Live!
a very interesting thought indeed and I see much merit in this
I dont like it. Its too naive in its very own way. What, he has problems believing they waited four to five days to report anything? They were in bloody shock! What does he think these people at CBS are? They are still only human. Or the reality of the situation that Journalists tend to protect their own when under gruesome fire (like firefighters, soldiers and the like)
I acknowledge that many journos are shit. But why do we always depict them as not feeling anything? As having no emotions whatsoever? We acknowledge bloody marines feeling quite a bit when fighting on some hamburger hill but when some journalist gets gruesomely assaulted the colleagues are supposed to react with indifference and laughter? To be critical of Journalists is one thing i am all for it but to refuse them basic emotions and basic morality is just the other extreme of the coin.
think you are taking the article as an attack on journalists but it is an attack on the bosses who run things. Journalists are nothing but tools used by the money men to make the news. Like a drum for a drummer to make the music.
It seems to me that in the early days after February 11 when the postings of firehouse Nick and parts one and two most here dismiss them as fabrications and fantasy. Over the course of the past year and with the unfortunate attacks on other female journalists, the Dutch tourist and articles posted by Egyptian women has made these posted videos and their similarities of being dragged into the crowd, stripped naked, beaten and raped reality. The US State Department the Egyptians and governments around the globe know exactly how toxic this footage is to the Arab spring and the movement in the middle East and around the world for global Jahad. Even the most hard-core New York Times reading liberal could not stand to view a few minutes of this video nevertheless an hour or more. For those hard-core porn rape viewers deep down inside they know that after it's all done the participants grab a shower and a beer. Try this out try and read part two over and over again for an hour, and then see how you feel about the cheering crowd of men, if this were a dog surrounded being beaten and tortured even if you dislike dogs you would have nothing but hate for the men in the crowd. The reason the footage has not surfaced is that all parties involved that includes Lara, CBS, the US government and the Egyptians realize just how powerful this footage is. Fact or fantasy you decide.
Yes I agree for the time period all the news groups were posting only the good of Arab spring and how it is sweeping the landscape.
Just wondering has anyone checked the twitter feeds coming out of eygpt of the day of the event? There would have not been any information here about it till 4 days after when CBS made the announcement, but coming out of Eygpt some noise and chatter should have been made. Most of those involved would have bragged about it for sure.
Did you use your phone or a camera and if so did you edit the exif data on the clip because if not then yes if he wanted to find you he could. The article I posted yesterday explains how they can track such things and how two hackers who posted a pair of boobs became the boobs themselves because the exif data lead them to the girl in the picture who is the girlfriend of one of the hackers.
Forgot they could also go through using a little math to locate the area you were when you shot the video then figure out who paid for tickets for that area and pay you a visit at home. Either a credit card would have been used or if you paid in cash at the ticket counter a video of you would have been made and they could have tracked you to your car and got the plate off your car and a little search of the owner would have given them the info. too.
paris hilton and her family are just as powerful as trump and that didn't stop her sex tape from going viral.
I don't think she tried to stop it because it made her famous just like her good friend Kim K. Also to stop it from going viral it must be stopped within hours of its release because if not too many people will have it downloaded and like a rash it will spread
Apples and oranges. If I shot a video of Trump from across the Super Bowl stadium and he had no clue who shot it and I kept posting it online, how the hell would he even know who to offer money? It could be any of thousands of people that shot that video. Short of the idea to put an ad in the paper offering a reward, if I were careful and I wasn't caught on camera myself as I made the initial recording, he'd be powerless.
When I was young, I remember some rich guy being rude to me and asking me, "Don't you know who I am!?" I told him off and cussed hm out something good, replying that it didn't matter who he was so long as he didn't know who I was. He asked, "What's your name!?" I flipped him the bird and walked away.
Did you use your phone or a camera and if so did you edit the exif data on the clip because if not then yes if he wanted to find you he could. The article I posted yesterday explains how they can track such things and how two hackers who posted a pair of boobs became the boobs themselves because the exif data lead them to the girl in the picture who is the girlfriend of one of the hackers.
If the Fet Kid video was at all legitimate, it would have been posted over the weekend prior to the announcement. Instead, it followed the Dark Cavern post and followed the CBS statement. If there were any videos up at all... by then... they'd have been long gone before he had a chance to see them. That leaves the following scenarios:
a.) He saw the videos over the weekend but didn't know what they were till the CBS statement and decided to make a video about it.
b.) He heard the CBS statement and searched for videos super fast and found them when no one else could and made a post about it.
He seemed to act like he still had access to the videos while he was making his video. Obviously, this could not have happened after the CBS press release or thousands of others would have done the same searches he did and found the same videos he found. The Fat Kid video, as you know, is a complete fabrication of some sort or other.
I agree somewhat but was also thinking before it was announced that she was attacked there was nothing on the web about it. Wondering if there was any chatter about it on the eygpt boards prior to the announcement? Maybe mentions on twitter about it not like from anyone important but just a bystander who saw something? They had four days of time to do their magic.
I mean, why would they not have mentioned having obtained footage when they aired her interview? CBS doesn't have footage. The government probably doesn't have footage. Obviously, it exists. I'm sure anyone who recorded any significant portion of the attack is not about to delete it out of shame, regret or fear of the law. Maybe. Has it gone viral via phone in Egypt? Not sure. Does it exist on a hard drive somewhere? Man, there's no telling. Who the hell knows?
Crap! No! Fuck you Internet! I'm out of here. Later.
I would Guess CBS would never mention that they have footage to the attack because then the pressure for them to release it would become too great. Like saying you have Justin Beibers home phone number in a crowd of little girls. Only bad things will happen if that info is out there.
The Temoris blog posts pre-date the the Full Report video and you can find a lot of similarities to her story in the comments written by myself and several others. Obviously, we didn't have any inside information. It's possible to be fairly accurate when assessing a situation like this without having access to the full details. The Fat Kid video was posted really quick which is really strange but it came after the Dark Cavern description. Full Report was created after the first Temoris blog post but before her 60 Minutes interview. The Rue89 interview came out before her interview. The Daily Mail (London Times) article came out before her interview. Her blog post on Facebook came after this other stuff. Her college lectures.
* I've yet to see the actual London Times article since you have to subscribe to gain access to their web page.
* I've still not heard her Principia University lecture which aired live but isn't archived online.
Yes But the Temoris blog was a crappy political statement about Lara overreacting and all that happened was her ass was pinched. The Fat kid video was posted Feb 16 which preceeds all the videos and posts. First announced on the 15th so in one day this person or persons came up with this?
The Fat Kid, Full Reports 1&2 these stories are the only descriptive details ever given about the assault/rape and they were label as fakes immediately. They didn't ask or interview anyone else, because of the hardcore viciousness of her rape. Full Report 1 witness said, he didn't know how such a brutal rape/gangrape had not been reported in the U.S. The answer is the Gov't used their full powers (Gov't Dirt Cleaners) to make it all disappear, including any witness statements, all visual evidence and all descriptions of her physical state. Being raped by one man is devastating, being penis gangraped by 25-50 men that's a small army, and really would require the Gov't to treat it as such (small army) add on all the degrading sexual acts done to her and this is where the Gov't didn't want to attack Egypt for it, and Lara didn't want the world to know how they totally raped and humiliated her. Lara's version of groping/handraping 25-40 mins, was better than, clothes being ripped off, stripped naked then gangraped by multiple men for more then 1 hour. This could be after all, that Lara's version is fake and conjured up, while Full Report 2 is actually what happen, a totally horrendous gangraping of a woman.
Well i think when these people imagined the worst case scenario...and this scenario was kinda met...in a way then what would be imagined would eerily be true albeit as a coincidence. It does not postulate that these people really had evidence or good eyewitness accounts.
I mean it is the same with a Shark Attack. When i hear it was "very bad" i imagine immediately ripped limbs and shredded body parts and in 99% of cases it would be like this. But it does not mean that i seriously have evidence from the coroner or that i spoke to an eyewitness or that i partook from the knowledge of friends and family members of the victim.
Too many people make the quick assumption that similarities between narrative constructs immediately lead to one side influencing the other. But that is rash and should be avoided to get to the truth.
I agree but with what they had to go on from the start how could they get as close to the story Lara released 4 months later with out something other then brutal sustained assualt. Nothing that first came out mentions enough really to make a fantasy that closely matchs that which was 4 months later handed to the public and other reports.
Also remember that very little was given out days and even weeks after the attack so How could these three clips be so close to Lara Logans given information? Yes it could have been a couple of guys setting around trying to come up with a good fantasy to hoax everyone but to get that close on information and with little to nothing to go other then the sustained assualt that was reported by all the press. Very weird indeed?